"I am dealing with a demon and it has been controlling my life and will not go away," writes A Fan. "It wants to be in a 'real' relationship with me. I have prayed to God to remove this entity, but this deemed useless. (The psychic said he will ask the Creator for help in order that he take the demon to the Source.) I have tried to ask the psychic about the free will of the demons on this Earth, the possession of unaware humans by demons, etc., but he would not tell me much. I was hoping you would tell me if you know based on your paranormal research."
Fan, my views on demons, demonology and exorcisms are not popular, even in the paranormal community, but I feel I must continue to speak out on the subject. In short, there are no demons. In all of my reading and research, I have never come across any convincing evidence for the existence of demons or the Devil. These are completely made-up entities that are part of a religious belief system that have no basis in fact.... Read the rest of my answer.
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There are such things as demons or evil spirits; they are exteremely rare though and unless you come across a place where one has been summoned by previous black magic rituals you are likely to never come across one in your lifetime.
These demons are the spirits of what were once ‘angels who were known as the watchers, who in biblical times deserted thier posts to engage in carnal activites with human women, they have been cursed by god, thier physical bodies destroyed forever cursed to roam the earth forever never again to ascend to the power they once enjoyed.
There is no “Devil” Lucifer as we know him had one goal in mind, taking the throne of God, he could care less about humans, and is not a threat as he was basically thrown in jail after his rebellion was put down.
Sorry, ObiWan, but what you just said sounds very much like a fairytale. Where did this information come from? What do you have to back any of it up, even in the slightest? Aren’t you proving that demons, as I say in the article, are just part of a belief system?
Stephen, I agree with a lot of what you have to say in your answer. However, one thing that caught my eye was your line “These entities do not exist.” How do you know this fact? How can you say with certainty that these entities do not exist? It would be nice if you admitted in the answer that you are not 100 percent sure that they do not exist instead of saying all factually “They don’t exist.”
Jim — True, it is my opinion, which I’ve based on my years of research. Can I say with 100% certainty that there are no demons? No. No more than I can say with 100% certainty that there are no purple elephants with velvet wings. There might be, but I’ve never seen the evidence for one.
ObiWan28, you have no proof of any of that. You’re just stating your opinion, but you’re stating it as though it’s fact when it’s not.
Demons might exist and they might not. I’ve seen enough evidence to prove to me personally that ghosts exist. I know there is something after death.
But I have not seen any proof whatsoever of demons, Bigfoot, the Lochness Monster, Mothman or any other fairy tales exist.
I find it doubtfull that a ghost (if you consider it as a demon) or any other spiritual entity had enough power to “take controll” of somebody else’s life. They can force negative emotions on you, but as far as I know, it takes entities vast amounts of energy to infulence things on a physical level. I’d say the person is either dealing with a ghost which is imparting its negative emotions causing depression, or a psychological “issue” combined with an active imagination.
I also don’t believe in the existence of demons, think of it as the poltergeist phenomenon, considered evil ghosts and demons now proved to be caused by the victims themselves, by their own power. If we have the capacity to create such phenomena, then we can also affect ourselves on the psychological level greatly, whether in a positive or a negate way depending on the mental state of the person.
I feel compelled to provide some feedback from a different point of view. Stephen, you compare believing in demons to believing in purple elephants, which I don’t feel is an entirely fair comparison. For one, purple elephants would (presumably) be wandering the wild as a real, physical animal. Whereas demons are not generally visible to people. Second, there is a lot of cultural evidence for demons. Many cultures for many millenium have had stories and belief systems with demons.
While I respect your researched decision that demons do not exist, I think the belief systems do offer some credible evidence. While the Tooth Fairy and Goldilocks are part of belief systems and/or fairy tales, no sane adult claims to believe them. This is not the same for demons.
Now, that said… Some advice from a religious perspective for Fan. If you read the Bible and believe it, you’ll find that demons are fallen angels. Through the majority of the Bible, they work behind the scenes. They seem to prefer to do their dastardly deeds in a manner that doesn’t draw attention to themselves. When Jesus, God himself, came on the scene, many did make a greater appearance. However, before and after, there weren’t many demonic appearances to people. It seems to me, that in a rational, scientific society, demons much prefer to work behind the scenes. In more primitive, tribal societies, demons are more likely to make their presence known.
God is greater than a demon. He is stronger and more powerful and He is good. I have heard of people calling on the name of Jesus and their demons going away. However, God is a rational, thinking being, not a genie. Don’t think just because you say a “magic word” that everything will go right.
If you want to be delivered from this evil spirit, call on Jesus to save your soul from your sins. Give your life to Christ and find a local body of believers to grow with.
Luke 11:24-26: “When an evil spirit come out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. Then is goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first.”
I don’t know. I’m not an expert on demons and don’t want to be. I just know what the Bible says. I enjoy reading about various paranormal/ghostly/bigfooty topics, but I stay far away from any hind of demons.
I’ll pray for you.
I completely agree that it is not a fair comparison between purple elephants and demons. Stephen to be honest, the “research” you have done is absolutely pointless. It is extremely obvious that if demons are real there would be no way of scientifically proving they exist.
Danzi — Thanks for your thoughful comments. I’m not sure what you mean by “cultural evidence,” however. Just because something has a long cultural tradition does not make it real or true. Zeus was a cultural tradition for a long, long time, but who believes in Zeus? And there’s a fundamental problem with “belief” systems. The word “belief” implies that there is no evidence — that’s why you have to believe in it. So my point is, why would you? The Devil character is a fable, invented in ancient times to explain evil and various forms of mental illness. Various religions kept the idea going over the centuries as a kind of “fear factor” to keep people in line. There’s nothing real behind it.
Mike — I’m not even looking for scientific proof that demons exist. (There’s a lot of paranormal phenomena that cannot be proved by traditional scientific methods.) But I haven’t seen evidence of ANY kind for demons. It’s a belief, pure and simple. Either you believe in them or you don’t. And I think that as paranormal researchers it gets us nowhere to have such baseless beliefs. Belief often gets in the way of truth.
I couldn’t agree more with your views about the devil and demons, Mr. Wagner. I don’t believe that the “devil” or demons exist, either. Happy you took the stand, no matter how unpopular it may be. Just know you are not alone in your take on the subject.
Dear Reader, 1st how do you know its a demon & not the spirit of a departed soul? 2nd what type of relationship is this entity looking for? & 3rd the biggest lie Lucifer ever perpetrated was that he doesn’t exist. & finially, if it is a demon, call upon a catholic priest specilizing in exorcism. Finally did this entity ever give its name? My prayers are with you.
I will have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Wagner. If you ever experience an attack by a demon you will know for a fact that they do exist and that you can not explain what happened as anything else. Personally I hope you never do though. I have no doubts.
I also think that cultural evidence points to demons existing. When every culture across the globe has shared the same experiences and the same manifestations then I think you have to start looking at the possibility that there is something real behind it. The best evidence we have for a lot of paranormal phenomena is cultural experiences that cross all time and borders.
For A Fan I would advise you to find a Church that deals with exorcism and have them help you work through this. You don’t have to be subjected to this harassment anymore and there is real help for it. I also think it would be good for you to go to your family Doctor and get a full physical and tell them what it going on. I do agree with Mr. Wagner that it is possible that this is something physical or mental rather than spiritual and it is always good to check everything mind, body and spirit.
The fact that the Greeks (or Romans?) believed in Zeus is not necessarily evidence for Zeus. However, the fact that the Greeks believed in God (or gods), as does nearly every primitive civilization ever studied, does, imo, offer cultural evidence that God or gods exist. (I remember reading somewhere once that they’d only found one primitive civilization that had no god or god concept and that civilization wasn’t closely studied.)
I guess when I look at the topic of demons outside of my religious perspective, it makes me wonder how you can claim that certain events or paranormal happenings are NOT the result of demons. With paranormal stuff, there’s generally a lot of mysteries. How do you know that at least some (or all) of hauntings, poltergeists, bizarre catastrophes, people who change in whatever bizarre way, alien abductions, etc., do not have a demonic influence?
I’m not saying they do, but I also think it’s impossible to clearly classify most paranormal events. I mean, if science could study them and come up with a clear explanation, it wouldn’t be paranormal anymore, right?
I’ve (thankfully) never been around a demon that I know of, but I know people who have heard people behave weird and speak in an unnatural voice. Demon? I say so. Maybe you call it something else, but perhaps its just a matter of classification.
Fan/group…Mr. Wagner…Y’all commentators,
Welcome into the Unknow quarry….
Have you experience receiving mail, from
a clairvoyant warning the receipient needs
and intervetion ’cause a “psychic attack”
has been perturbing the mind of the client
to be?
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pressures of subliminal “cartoons,”psychadelic
paraphegnalia,” comics with themes weird,
construing behavioral discrepancies in pockets
of american society ?
And, which Assoc. of American Atheist, could care less about, or for that matter about any type of by-product to/for the Harry Potter, audiences ?
Should a conscience just be thrown into
oblivion, due to ignorance or absence of
concepts-&-abstract on matters relative
to definition of ‘existence’,in any sense, shape, form, in known/unknown worlds of rugged
perceptibility of mind/matter ?
Enter the Occultic seance communication,
the stage-set for telepathic currents….
May I ask, if macro-metaphysic research
deserves past/present merit?
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& be prepared for video reps.
‘Til soon.
Danzi — In response:
You said: The fact that the Greeks (or Romans?) believed in Zeus is not necessarily evidence for Zeus. However, the fact that the Greeks believed in God (or gods), as does nearly every primitive civilization ever studied, does, imo, offer cultural evidence that God or gods exist.
I still do not accept the point of “cultural evidence”. It’s not evidence at all. It’s a belief. By the standard of what you call cultural evidence, if enough people believe in something, that makes it true? For example, a small group of people who belong to the Flat Earth Society believe the Earth is flat. Now because it’s a small group, they are considered kooks. Are you saying that if a much larger group of people all over the world believed the Earth was flat that that would constitute cultural evidence that the Earth was flat? In point of fact, that the Earth is flat was part of a widely held belief system at one time, but that did not make the planet any flatter than it is today.
You said: How do you know that at least some (or all) of hauntings, poltergeists, bizarre catastrophes, people who change in whatever bizarre way, alien abductions, etc., do not have a demonic influence?
I don’t KNOW. I’m saying there’s no evidence for it. By the same token, so-called demonologists and self-proclaimed exorcists often state categorically that someone or something has a demonic influence. How do they KNOW? They don’t. Yet they state it as fact — without a shred of real evidence. It’s just what they happen to believe.
I’ll say it again: Belief systems do not help us get any closer to understanding what’s really going on with paranormal phenomena. They get in the way.
Stephen:
Nicely said. According to Jung, in the case of psychic energies being accessed by the personal unconscious there can be an archetypal manifestation of “evil” of considerable power that requires special handling, but there is not an evil “outside” force prowling about looking for someone to possess. The manifestation of an evil “entity” begins in the personal unconscious.
Thanks for your reasoned approach to all “paranormal” phenomena. I enjoy your work.
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Aha !
Beware of >>
The network frames & mind-set & which criteria may be valid, which discredited,
by each; or…. exactly on what type of ice/snow the shelf and factual evidence & truths are frozen….
Jung for Freud / Einstein for Intuition,
and the lab parlance to clone or decontruct
the terms of value systems ?!
Where does it leave the common denominator > Dychotomies of Good, or even > dychotomies of given human definition.
Is it fair to pardon the logos of Aristotle among the spirits sold wholesale at marketplace ? And call it modern Cultural relativity?
Should one search Weitgenstein’s sense of Denotation/Conotation of value/term like >>”existence/daemon” (grk.terminology)
Or Sunder the co-laboration (like a 7-day advent of a try-out disc on Voodo or Spiritualism may soon be auctioned ?
Go ahead, check-it out with >>
http://www.ParanormalState.com
Dan — I cannot imagine what you’re talking about… except that you want to advertise Paranormal State (a show that is obsessed with demons, by the way).
the person who answered and said there are no demons. you are fooling yourself and others. there are, they are real, they are dangerous and should not be toyed with. while i cannot assess if the person who asked the question is delusional or is being followed by a demon, your answer is foolhardy and incorrect. i will not be back to this site.
Re: Demons. I also disagree withy ou that you say there are no demons nor do they exist. Where do you get your information?
Do you believe in God? Where there is God there is Satan and his legion. Me and my family have experienced divine intervention and also demonic forces. How the hell does anyone know if the evil forces are demonic or not. What do you really know. Have you had experiences with them at all? Evil and demonic forces do exist, and so does divine ones, at least these were me and my families experiences. Don’t be saying somethign does not exist, you don’t really know unless you are God or even the devil. I think really it is negligent of you to tell people they do not exist, because then that would make them less likely to get the help they need. Is Demonologist Lorraine Warren still alive? I am sorry sir, but respectfully I completely disagree. Apparently you just have not had any bad experiences regarding that, but there are people that have had dealings with the devil, and with God, close up.
Also Stephen I feel 100% sure that they and God exist. There is an afterworld. there are ghost and spirits, some good some evil. I am not a researcher but I just have my own experiences to go on. PLease can’t you help FAN get some help for this demon that is following her? She needs help, don’t you know anyone or have any contacts that you could call to help her/Him sorry… Fan have your house blessed and find a demonologist and a paranormal researcher that deals with negative entities.
May God bless you and be with you Fan . Also do not lose your faith in God! Be strong and have courage, because fear and no faith will only make them stronger. Lorraine Warren see if she can help you.
ObiWan28’s material comes from the apocryphal Book of Enoch, which is supposed to be the story of Noah’s great-grandfather. Among its other good-old fashioned Biblical-style nightmare fuel and schadenfreude, it also claims that demons are the wandering souls of angel/human hybrids. Being half angel, they can wreak a lot of havoc, but being half human, they are eternally hungry. Without a physical body, they cannot actually eat to satiate their hunger. How exactly one is supposed to feel hungry without a stomach, I suppose, is an exercise left up to the reader.
I could never finish reading the whole thing because I couldn’t take it seriously after its detailed description of a very, very shiny, but very very implausible geocentric cosmology.
Try the Universal Church.
http://www.universal.org
They deal with this type of situations on a daily bases.
They have deliverance services and they even do home visits, to bless your home. That is still hope my friend!
Do you think demons are going to leave evidence of there existence out for people to find. I mean aren’t they known for being sneaky.
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